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If I Ran the School, Things Would be Different

MountainscallingAs a retiree, I have a special place in my heart for Monday mornings, because that’s when I would have had to go back to work if it weren’t for the joy of early retirement.  Despite the option of complete leisure, I woke up at 5:30 this morning because the sky was starting to brighten and I was too excited about the new day to let any of it go to waste.

I’m writing to you right now, but later on I’ll be building stuff, riding bikes, meeting with people and teaching kids. Later on as bedtime approaches I might fiddle around in the music room, read a book or listen to a podcast. It’s my idea of the perfect life: self-directed activities in pursuit of knowledge, self-improvement and even getting a chance to help others if you’re lucky.

This might not seem related to the subject of our school system, but at the core I think the idea is the same:

Humans are naturally curious and energetic creatures, and if you set us free in the right environment, we will get to work learning, producing, and having a great time at it.

This is especially true for kids, whose brain composition is set up for maximum-speed-learning-at-all-costs. And double especially true for my son, who has always loved the freedom to create and worked with every atom of his being to fight against any rules that might constrain it. This is a boy who, given an elaborate new high-tech Lego set, will immediately discard the instruction set, open the bags of parts, and dump them without hesitation into his main supply bins. “Great! we have way more parts now – let’s make some ships!”

This inspired (but very high maintenance) personality has been clashing with the public school system on a regular basis. Last year, he started to feel the crush of boredom and irrationality and Mrs. MM and I fought it for a long while.

“You have to stay in school”, we insisted, “that is what all responsible people do to ensure a bright future, learn to deal with diverse sets of people, and of course to socialize with other children. With you being an only child, this is especially important.”

But it started affecting his sleep, and his non-school hours started to become dominated by worrying about school, and then even his health started to follow down that road. Through research and a bit of professional counseling, we learned that he has an anxiety disorder. While this is fairly common in young kids of his type, the teachers he had to work with most often seemed unable to adapt. His third grade classroom had become a disciplinarian place with a constant shushing of kids, straight lines in the hallway, and stern words for anyone who didn’t follow assignment instructions without question. Explanations of his ideas to the teacher were shot down as “talking back” or “excuses”.

There are of course many schools of thought on how to raise a kid. In 19th century England, they used to whack them frequently with canes to keep them in line. In certain philosophies, cultures or religions it is still common to maintain an iron fist of discipline over kids until they move out of the house as young adults. The traditional Asian school system emphasized long hours, strict rules and rote memorization. The opinions of the parents and teachers are the only ones that count, and failing to perform well in school is considered a disgrace to your family.

While I’m happy to let those people do their own thing, my response to this style of education as a parent now is the same as it was when I was a kid: “Fuck That.”

The Pursuit of Soul Craft

good book right there

Good book

Around the time we were going through all of this, I was reading the book “Shop Class as Soulcraft” by the badass philosopher/mechanic Matthew B. Crawford. The author shares my own opinions on the bullshitty nature of most of our traditional rules and their influence on the modern office environment, and the value of thoughtful but difficult physical work. To quote the man on the clash of school with human nature:

 “It is a rare person who is naturally inclined to sit still for sixteen years at school, and then indefinitely at work”

Don’t get me wrong. The idea of a free public education for all is still a great one. In my school, a noticeable portion* of the kids come from families where the parents don’t seem to be putting much effort into their upbringing. Nobody is reading to them at home, or talking about science or teaching them a trade. There’s no Lego, not enough bikes and too much TV, drowning out the chance to actually learn by creating anything for themselves. For them, school is the only hand up they have in life so we’d better make the most of it.

But damn, we could do so much better.

If I ran the school, there would be none of those leaky-tire teachers that are permanently shushing kids in the classrooms and the hallways.

I remember one vivid experience while volunteering in the school, walking down the hallway with a group of my little advanced math students. The hall was empty and our journey back to the main classroom was going well. Without warning, an attack of shushes came at us from a sniper who had positioned herself inconspicuously at a desk off to the side. We escaped without losing the flow of our thoughts, but at the midway point, a second attack came from a guy standing at the far end. Arms down, straight line, no talking.

When kids are talking to each other, that’s called a conversation, which is one of the most valuable things you can let kids have.

And nobody needs to line up in the hallways. I don’t do lineups myself, so why would I make kids endure this irrational suppression of natural body placement?

If I ran the place, there would be a red button on the wall, that would start Walking on Sunshine, pulsing LED rope lights and a disco ball. Anybody could run up and press it. The walls would be padded and there would be subwoofers. It would be an invigorating and ridiculous dance party going from one class to the next. Coincidentally, this is very similar to how I run my own house.

Some teachers are still taking away recess from kids as a form of punishment. The most valuable and educational part of the school day – experiencing nature and fresh air, refreshing the mind and training the body – gone because of an cruel desire to make a child regret not conforming to their irrational rules. I found this both enraging and ironic, because the school hallway proudly displays a large banner with the following quote:

“Leave all the afternoon for exercise and recreation, which are as necessary as reading; I will rather say more necessary, because health is worth more than learning.”
– Thomas Jefferson

In my school, recess would come first. There is more than enough time to learn the easy stuff like physics, chemistry and software design. Plenty of adults accomplish that. But how many of us spend enough time outside and maintain reasonable levels of strength and fitness into our old age? How many people over 50 even do barbell squats with any regularity any more?

In my school, play is not something to be suppressed – it is something you facilitate and hope for. There’s a reason that kids of all the most intelligent animals (whether kittens, dolphins or humans) are born with a desire to play. It is because playing is the most efficient way to learn. How could this blatantly obvious bit of evolution have been suppressed in the design of our school system? Thus, the ultimate achievement as a teacher is to trigger a marathon session of Automatic Learning Through Play, and sit back and watch the neurons connect.

 So We Decided It Was Time To Run The School

My rant above is overly idealistic, or course. Real school systems are faced with all sorts of constraints, just like any organization that involves a large number of humans. You have vastly diverse kids, some of them uncooperative or even violent. Meddling administrators, parents, and politicians. The flawed implementation of standardized testing which often displaces actual learning. Sure, it can be improved, but that’s a separate battle from the job of taking care of our own son because he needed a solution right now. 

Much like Mustachianism itself, we decided it was more efficient to try something new immediately and start learning from it, than to sit around complaining about the system we were stuck in. Since we’ve been experimenting with this for about a year now, I figured it would be worth sharing some of the surprising observations.

Is Homeschooling Only for Weirdos? Surely it Wouldn’t Work for Me?

This was my first assumption before learning about the option. I had never met anyone who didn’t go to school, so I thought it was necessary to grow up as an educated, well-adjusted adult. This turned out to be totally wrong and I have heard from (and read about) dozens of exceptionally happy, intelligent achievers who went this way. But it’s not for everyone – if you find yourself with a kid who already likes school, you might want to keep that good situation as it is.

How Can This Lead to a Good Education?

If you start with the natural hunger kids have towards learning, and subtract out some of the biggest obstacles (lineups, waiting for the slow trudge of big-class teaching, boring and repetitive activities), you find that you can exceed the actual academic learning contained in a typical school day with just an hour or two of concentrated effort. You can double the pace by throwing in a second hour or more. And this leaves the rest of the day to broaden the benefits – activities with other people, physical challenges, educational trips, etc. You can also let the kid run free with uninterrupted time when he does find a true interest – for example getting into a really good book, writing, music, programming, etc.

This fits well with the modern and future workforce, where employers are looking for people who can adapt, create, and produce, rather than simply follow rules. But even using the word “employers” is shortsighted in my book. I’m not teaching my kid to be an employee – I’m teaching him to be a creator, who will find it satisfying to start his own small companies. Employees will be the people he hires when the time comes.

Where do you Get your Curriculum?

Sal Khan is pretty much The Man when it comes to great do-it-yourself education. Thanks Sal!

Sal Khan is pretty much The Man when it comes to great do-it-yourself education. Thanks Sal!

Much of this becomes obvious if you ask yourself what really defines a good education. But for a shortcut, just look at Khan Academy. This brillant utopia of an organization has been creating well-organized, advanced, free learning for years now, and it just keeps getting better. Get your kid an account there, set him or her free and watch the sparks fly. Of course, you should also hover conveniently nearby to help expand the learning.

We also worked with the school and borrowed some textbooks, looked at the US core standards that help define the teaching done in conventional school, and did plenty of online searching to see what other people use for their learning.

But the fun part comes when you leave the conventional lessons. For example, to illustrate math and trigonometry (as well as a tiny bit about astronomy), I taught my son how to calculate the height of our city’s water tower based on the length of its shadow at noon on March 21st. To learn about science and engineering, you talk about how things work and watch the amazing documentaries they have now that explain how fascinating these things are.

Technology and Computing: The video game called Kerbal Space Program tricks kids into learning rocket design and planetary physics at a deeply intuitive level. Another called Robocraft involves iterative design, construction and testing disguised as a first person shoot-em-up. We also build and program real robots using a VEX IQ set, but you can ease into kid-style programming with a language called Scratch.

In fact, any strategic and complicated video game contains a lot of disguised learning, because your kid has to learn the subtleties of using a computer in order to get it to work in the first place. How to use a mouse, keyboard, and menus. How to read, type, copy files, install updates, search for information, even connect to another IP address to host a multiplayer game. These end up being really useful skills throughout life, and this is why I would never buy an Xbox, Wii, PlayStation or other simplified video gaming system. Those things preserve the recreation, but strip out the important technology. If your kid is going to have “screen time”, it might as well be on a nice, complicated real computer, which is another reason we haven’t had TV service since well before he was born.

Music: At the most basic level, you learn a lot about music by simply listening to it. I always have something playing in the house and I let my son change the Pandora station and create his own. But we also jam with real instruments which are left strategically lying about the house and make songs with Ableton Live. Music lessons are valuable for those so inclined, but due to our resistance to rules and structure, my son and I are not so inclined at the moment even as people who are unusually interested in music.

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Art Class tends to change along with the current topics of interest in real life. Currently space travel and colonization due to a binge of reading we did about SpaceX.

 

Reading and Writing: kids reading to themselves at any time, parents reading books to kids at bedtime, hitting the Library at least once a week, and leaving blank notebooks and great writing instruments and erasers around the house to facilitate creation of new literature and comics.

The Typical Day of Homeschooling

Typical day's schedule

Typical day’s schedule

It changes along with the season, but there is the whiteboard as it appears today. You got some writing, building/programming, lunch, outdoor activities, and math. We keep things in the 1-4 hour range to avoid homeschooling becoming a drag. After all, kids are always learning, whether you label it as school or not.

Surprising Advantages

  • You can live wherever you like without regard to “school district”. You can also travel and take vacations without regard to the school calendar.
For example, nice weather last week required that we spend Monday hiking in the mountains.

For example, nice weather last week required that we spend Monday hiking in the mountains.

  • You get the best private school, with a commute and tuition cost of roughly zero.
  • I find myself learning more, just so I’ll have more to share with him (similar to the effect that this blog has had on my life)
  • My son is at peace with the world, fired up, and learning quickly.

What about Testing and Standards?  Is anybody watching what I do?

This part is easy. Although it is unlikely any authorities will ever be involved with your schooling, in theory you are supposed to do at least 4 hours per day of classes, and keep a journal of what you do. You may also be able to drop in on your local school for special classes if you make arrangements with the principal there.

You can order practice tests, and the real end-of-year tests (called the Iowa Test of Basic Skills), which you can administer yourself or do at the school. Mrs. MM bought her copies from BJUpress.org**

Your kid does of course need to pass the test, but if you’re serious about learning you will be miles ahead of the requirements.

What about Socialization? 

As it turns out, the regular school day is mostly about discouraging socialization. Get the kids to sit still and be quiet so they can learn, except in widely spaced controlled group activities. Most of the fun happens in extracurricular activities, which you can still join, or in plain old free play, which you can do any time.

Little MM still has all of his earlier school friends, and he hangs out with them constantly outside of school hours and on the weekends. We also keep meeting more people, just by virtue of living in a neighborhood where people want to know each other.

There are also organized homeschooling groups where you gather for group activities or even classes at a dedicated location. While we haven’t had time to join any groups yet, I plan to start running some classes of my own out of the parkside studio building I’ll be building in my back yard once the main house is done.

In Conclusion

Homeschooling has turned out to be a highly Mustachian activity: packed with Freedom, requiring high effort in exchange for high reward, and a way of improving upon the system of our society while working peacefully with its boundaries. It is not for everyone and it will consume much of your mental and physical power, but in exchange you will deliver a truly excellent education.

Further Reading: Mrs. Money Mustache shares more about her homeschooling journey in this March 2014 post on her own site.

 * By “noticeable portion” I’m not talking about kids with a different race or language of origin. This parenting divide is caused some other way – perhaps even by stress. If your own life as an adult is pushing your boundaries, you might have less energy left over to help your kids. Now that I’m a parent myself, I feel less judgmental about how things work out for other parents, because this stuff is pretty damned hard even from my very privileged position of having only one kid, two parents, and more free time and money than most. So instead of bashing parents of disadvantaged kids, I’d rather just help them by trying to inspire their kids.

**BJU happens to be a religious group, but the tests themselves are just the standard national tests. In fact, you’ll find a high correlation between homeschooling and religion, but that doesn’t make the idea any less valid for completely non-religious people (such as the MMM family) as well. For me, it’s all about better learning and a better life, which are almost the same thing.

  • Jeannie Stith February 18, 2015, 9:03 pm

    Check out this great little video about Montessori schools! Only downside is that they can be pricey, but a charter Montessori just opened near us, so it’s FREE. LOVE the philosophy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcgN0lEh5IA

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  • Rebecca February 18, 2015, 10:32 pm

    Thanks for this post. It really resonated with me as I also have an only son with an anxiety disorder. He has always been homeschooled and is now in 7th grade. In the beginning, I almost sent him to preschool to give him more interaction with others and because sometimes Mom doesn’t think she can take ANY MORE TALKING today (if you know what I mean). But we made it through that short stage, and it has been a joy watching him learn and grow and mature. I wouldn’t have wanted to miss a single bit of it. He is probably overcoming his shyness better than I ever did (at a private school) because he has to interact with people in a wider variety of situations and of a wider variety of ages. When we do join in with a homeschool coop, he is kind and well-liked and treats the authorities (usually other moms) with respect. He also has a few close friends around his own age that we make a special effort to see on a regular basis. His “PE” is covered by his involvement in a great local karate school with an excellent program that emphasizes character building as well as physical fitness. Homeschooling may not be for everyone, but it sure is a great fit for us! I love the independence and flexibility I get when I run the school. Best wishes on your home education journey!

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  • Dan February 19, 2015, 3:10 am

    This is great. I’ve always thought the idea of taking advantage of today’s technology to give kids a better education at home was a great idea. My only concern was on the socialization aspect that a kid could miss out on.

    MMM addresses this well. Public schools are typically sterile and anti-social. I remember frequently getting in trouble for harmless (and probably helpful) socialization if it didn’t perfectly mesh with the school’s standards. Always confused me.

    Probably is still some work to do on the socialization front, though. Khan Academy and the like are great and parents who have retired early like MMM can certainly provide an adequate socializing environment, but I think there is room for more structured socialization opportunities. Surely, the market (or just the MMM community) will respond and provide such opportunities in short order.

    Right on.

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  • Christy February 19, 2015, 5:31 am

    I’m wondering if you have considered Montessori education? It provides many things you have brought up here. There are mixed-age classes, lots of socialization is encouraged, learning is self-directed based on student interest, and many others. There are public Montessori schools starting all over the country.

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  • Scott Lunt February 19, 2015, 5:54 am

    My family is considering home schooling for our 4-year old son. He’s in his second year of pre-school and doesn’t like it. For the time being, we’re going to keep him in, since we feel it’s good for him to at least get a couple of years of experience in elementary school (and, he will be learning a second language, which we can’t teach him).

    I have two questions for anyone who has been through this:
    1 – When is the ideal time to make the shift from elementary school to home school? (MMM family did it in 3rd grade – is that ideal? Sooner? later?)
    2 – What if your son/daughter was actually not motivated to learn anything? (Just wants to do nothing all day and no level of convincing will change that.)

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    • Kacie February 19, 2015, 5:18 pm

      Just my two cents since you put it open — if he isn’t enjoying PRESCHOOL, which should be fun and games and playing, he really may not enjoy public school. Is his preschool academics-focused or play-focused? At 4, children do not need to learn how to read. They need to be read to. Plenty of time outside. Plenty of crayons and paper and such. Play. Play play play.

      Pull him now if you can. Research “deschooling” and do it. But basically, let him be little. You don’t need to send him to elementary school. Just homeschool from the get-go.

      You mentioned a benefit of learning a second language in his elementary school. Will this just be a subject of the day, or is it an immersion-type of environment where they go hours hearing only that other language? If it’s just a subject, you can totally do that yourselves.

      Plus, if learning a 2nd language is important to you, then perhaps you and your wife can learn, too? That way, you can have actual practice conversing with one another at home. He wouldn’t have that benefit if you didn’t learn along with him.

      There are plenty of videos you can borrow from the library with other languages. Little Pim comes to mind for that age.

      Just realize that if you do want to homeschool at some point, but subject him to more preschool and elementary school, you will have a LOT to undo later. Best of luck.

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      • Scott Lunt February 19, 2015, 7:31 pm

        Thanks Kacie,

        He initially hated preschool but we felt it was important for him for a couple of reasons (mainly, he has a physical impairment which benefits from being around older peers – think physical therapy – and it’s effective). Also, my wife and I aren’t quite in a position yet to pull him out of school entirely. Instead, we reduced his day (at the behest of the school) to end at 1pm rather than 3:30. Once we made that change, he has been fine with going to school. Not in love with it like other kids in his class though. I guess what you’re saying is that there isn’t a time when preschool or school is better, even if it’s at a very young age.

        For the language, he will be attending a Spanish immersion kindergarten class (also pulling him out at 1pm) next year. We don’t speak enough Spanish to truly teach him ourselves – although we do as much as we can. We figure that it’s very hard to replicate an immersive experience so we thought we’d give it a try.

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  • Jonathan Gomez February 19, 2015, 6:46 am

    What do you invest in that returns 4% interest in dividends? Most funds seem to return a maximum of 3%. Is the rest of it coming from your rental homes?

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  • Nick February 19, 2015, 9:04 am

    Hey MMM,

    I am a regular reader of the blog and enjoy all of the content. After reading this post, I just thought you should check out the nonprofit that I work for, Playworks. Playworks is a national nonprofit that uses the power of play to bring out the best in every kid. We place a full-time coach in each of our schools to incorporate play throughout the school day and make recess fun and inclusive. Check us out at http://www.playworks.org. I just thought it might be something you could really get behind, and we operate in Colorado!

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  • KD February 19, 2015, 9:06 am

    MMM,

    This sounds great but I advise you to consider one thing. I have ADHD, anxiety and Crohns and being forced to deal with those conditions in the public school system made me able to hold down the career that I have today. I’m a lawyer and I speak publicly in court.

    I still have a hard time doing some of the “boring” parts of my job. But I learned I had to do the boring stuff to succeed in school. If I had been homeschooled and only did what I found fun and interesting, I don’t know how I would get through the boring stuff today. I’d probably be floating from job to job like many of my peers looking for work I 100% enjoy.

    I know many kids with health issues are home schooled so they get the special attention they need for those issues. The workplace, however, won’t give them special attention except in the rare case they have an ADA accommodation. I learned through school to advocate for myself and get the right to go to the bathroom whenever I needed to. I learned that I could make it through a presentation despite my anxiety and crohns no matter how much I hated it at the time.

    One of the worst things you can do when treating anxiety is to remove all of the triggers. Otherwise, new triggers just form and you are constantly just trying to avoid your anxiety instead of overcoming it. Overcoming it is hard. Each time you do something you don’t want to do but do it successfully, you are building confidence towards your next hard task.

    I think you can home school and accomplish these same goals but you have to have those goals in mind. If your son has ADHD, require activities that make him sit and concentrate on things he does not want to do for at least part of his schooling each week. If he has anxiety, with the help of your counselors, give him some tasks that push him outside of his comfort zone making them a little more difficult each time.

    Eventually you want him to be self reliant and financially independent but he will likely have to work for sometime first to be able to get there. He needs the skills to do that and kids with special needs often learn those skills in the “pointless regimented school.”

    I want nothing more than to chat with my coworkers all day just like I wanted to chat with my classmates all day. But I can’t or none of us would ever get anything done. The struggle doesn’t end when you graduate high school! Just my two-sense.

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  • Erin February 19, 2015, 9:41 am

    It is so nice to hear yet another persons opinion on how horrible the public school system is. The idea of granting the entire population of our country a free education is definitely one of our worst. Join the masses and blame those over payed and under worked teachers. I personally only have 140 students a day! …I really need more papers to grade, labs to set up, field trips to fund, grants to write, meetings to attend, supplies to buy with my own money, new technology to learn/implement……. Also, I am sure future citizens of this country will be much more supported with the skills both technically and socially by staying at home for their education. I mean just in the last month in my classroom we used microscopes, incubators, spectroscopes, sterile techniques to culture fungus and bacteria, and Vernier data collection devices and obviously everyone has access to these.

    I say lets all take our kids out of public school and weaken the greatest social equalizer in our country!!

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    • Tjc February 19, 2015, 5:56 pm

      Please note that just because people use the term homeschool to define an education style it does not mean that they stay at home all or even most of the time! It doesn’t even mean that parents are trying to replace the role of teacher. If I chose, I could spend all day every day taking my kids to classes and field trips and activities outside of the home, activities that are led by experts and professionals in the various fields we wish to explore. Many children are taught science by a science teacher. Some get to learn from actual scientists.

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  • Brian February 19, 2015, 11:20 am

    This post makes some good points about public schools. And I should say that I think I’d have loved this sort of homeschooling when I was a kid. But I think it should be noted that a school does not fail just because it does not suit one particular student. No school can give the same sort of individualized attention of homeschooling. And the walking on sunshine image MMM conjures in this post might suit some kids, but would leave other kids cowering in the corner, and still others with bloody noses (padded walls notwithstanding, kids run into other kids too). I’m sure this was a bit of hyperbole on MMM’s part, but the larger point is, to quote Beck out of context, you can’t please everyone, man.

    In a previous post, MMM mentioned that he and his wife were happy with the school, and that they were relaxed about it not being one of the better schools in the area. But it’s possible that the school just isn’t that good. I moved around a lot as a kid, at one point sticking around for no more than 10 months in one elementary school, and each school had a different feel, a different vibe. Some I hated (I’m looking at you, Creekwood Middle School), some I loved.

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  • Horatio Spifflewicket February 19, 2015, 11:37 am

    In the same vein as Kerbal Space Program and other really useful fun ways to learn is something I discovered (by accident) a while back. It’s called interactive fiction, and it lets you do for writing and literature what KSP does for physics.

    For background, I found it when I was looking up a copy of the old text-based adventure game Zork, and found that there are now rich and vibrant communities around making those kinds of games again today.

    One of the main (new) tools is a program called Inform, which uses a more natural language (“let there be an object called a box. a box is a container” –> would create a box that you can put stuff in) programming language to write the “story”. One of the interesting things that I’ve noticed is that you really have to get into worldbuilding and to think through all the choices that the user/player will make. And even better, because the resulting games are text-based, you get to practice all those valuable writing skills. The default installation of Inform comes with some useful extensions (I think of them like C header files) and the community has created a lot more of them. From creating and defining objects (like an extension to create a computer) to controlling the way the root structure of the output is handled (an extension for improved basic help functionality). It also ships with a variety of default adventures to get things going (and which you can mine for ideas about how to write something). It also has a very extensive manual and how-to guide which basically teaches you the Inform programming language.

    It is super fun.

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  • crazyworld February 19, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Unlikely that I will homeschool my son, but I am interested in a key idea behind this whole topic. Inspiring kids to learn and teaching them what they are interested in. I am having a hard time with this. Left to his own devices, my son will simply spend all day in front of some screen. Video games, youtube videos (sometimes educational ones, sometimes utter crap), TV (sometimes cartoons, sometimes educational -Natl Geographic/Science channel). So, how do you all get around this?
    Either I spend a lot of time and energy figuring out something novel for us to do everyday, or the novelty is coming from screens, which in all honesty are hard to top. If we go on vacation, he can definitely spend all day at the beach, swimming and playing. But we don’t live anywhere near one. What do people who live away from any good geography do? I am hoping to get some ideas.

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  • Kacie February 19, 2015, 5:08 pm

    Well done! You sound like an awesome unschooler. There are many others who take your approach as well — maybe some who live near you. But are you sure you’re not weirdos? ;)

    I just wanted to mention, while homeschooling is legal in every state, each state has its own requirements. Yours might have an hourly requirement. Mine (Indiana) does not. Some states require testing, others nope. It is prudent for each interested homeschooler to read up on their state laws.

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    • Tjc February 19, 2015, 6:04 pm

      True, state laws regarding homeschooling vary widely. In CA and TX for example homeschools are considered private schools and fall under private school laws.

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  • Gen Y Finance Guy February 19, 2015, 7:07 pm

    I absolutely loved this post. You describe an education that sounds amazing and like nothing you can get in the school system today. Unfortunately our school system is antiquated and in dire need of reform and updating.

    I am optomistic that we will see much need change, but probably not as soon as many would like to see. It is sad that so many parents don’t play an active role in their kids education. They think it is the school systems responsibility.

    This post reminded me of the Ted Talk by 13-year old Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11u3vtcpaY

    You should check it out, it is very inspiring.

    Cheers!

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  • Nathan Broom February 19, 2015, 7:39 pm

    Great post. Something about the word “disorder” (in “anxiety disorder”) grated a bit on me–surely it did for you too, when applied to your son. I’m pretty ignorant about psychology, but I can’t help wondering if that’s a misnomer in some cases. I remember a lot of anxious Sunday evenings in my youth, marked by a nameless worry about the pending school week. I wonder if that’s truly a sign of “disorder.” Isn’t it actually a very ordered, sensible response from certain personalities to the strictures of public schools? For my part, I made it through public school and had a good experience overall, but I do balk a little now that my own children are starting down that long road. So many lines, so much herding.

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  • Nigel February 20, 2015, 2:45 am

    Great article which I read after returning to Shanghai from spending some of Chinese New Year in Chengdu, Sichuan.
    While I was there we visited a very nice park, Huan Hauxi Park, which is a kind of the “Central Park” of Chengdu.
    Anyway, being a westerner, I often get children and adults coming up to me and having a simple English conversation or just simply saying hello. This time would be a bit unusual, an 11 year old boy came up to me and started a conversation with me in very fluent English, almost like any British or USA kid might. He stayed to talk to myself and family for some time during which time I discovered:
    – He speaks Japanese with the same fluency as English.
    – He is also learning Spanish and can already have basic Spanish conversation.
    – He has a very wide range of interests but computer coding is one of his favourite activities – one day he wants to run his own computer gaming company “because human beings always like to play games”.
    – His father is a successful businessman.
    – He has read some philosophy but has struggled to understand it – he is going to try again soon.
    – He has watched all of the Star Wars films and knows them in great detail.
    – He has read “The Snowball” book about Warren Buffett but thinks it’s a pity he has not written a book himself.
    – He has never been outside China and very rarely even outside Sichuan, the province that Chengdu is the capital of.
    – He regularly goes jogging in the park.
    – He is very tired of people commenting that he must be very intelligent, his answer is “anybody can learn stuff, just do it!”
    I found him to be a normal, well adjusted, 11 year old who is obviously intelligent BUT here’s the thing:
    HE HAS NEVER BEEN TO SCHOOL FOR ONE DAY IN HIS LIFE!!
    In the west we might not think too much about that, after all as MMM points out above, it’s not difficult to home school in the USA, there are lots of resources to access but in China it is VERY unusual.
    I can now go onto say that “Andy” told me that school only brainwashes you and is useless for real education. That’s very true in China but in the west we also have school systems that are “controlled” in some way, just as MMM points out.
    Andy and his father discuss his daily home learning routine on a regular basis but mostly it’s left to Andy and one or two outside tutors (Spanish is one of them) to get on with learning and having fun, or maybe I should say having fun learning!
    Oh and his father, the successful businessman, only ever spent a couple of years in formal schooling himself!
    Home schooling is definitely not for everybody, as MMM points out, but for Andy it has been a massive success.

    PS The Chinese Communist Party will definitely not be encouraging home schooling, just imagine what would happen to them if there were lots of self educated, free thinking “Andies”……

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  • Warren February 20, 2015, 5:03 am

    Great post, and some good ideas for us parents who have kids in “normal” school but want to augment the curriculum. Our experience contrasts with that of many of the posters here. Our 5-yo daughter attended a bilingual Montessori last year (we live in Beijing) and struggled; being relatively shy, she was often overwhelmed and nervous when it came to “self-direct” (she has no problem doing so at home) and even got a bit bullied by another girl. She learned almost no Chinese, as the foreign kids clustered together and the Chinese kids clustered separately with no guidance from the teachers to participate in mixed activities. We felt like it was too hands-off. Having been excited about the Montessori philosophy, I was disappointed.

    We switched over the summer, and she’s responded much better and seems to be learning more quickly in a more traditional international baccalaureate (IB) school, where semi-structured group activities have eased her social anxiety, built her confidence, and helped her make friends, including more Chinese friends. She seems to have learned much more as well with clearer expectations, yet still has a fair amount of freedom to choose activities. Perhaps the change owes something to a difference in school quality and/or her maturity, but I also think a bit of structure properly implemented can make a big, positive difference for many kids.

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  • Ellen February 20, 2015, 11:40 am

    As a public school teacher for most of my life, I agree that many changes need to be made in the structure of our public school system. One of the things I would most like to see is parents, like yourselves, become more active in making public schools more effective by actively trying to change the public school system. As teachers, most of us are well aware of the problems of the current school systems. We are forced to follow rigid rules and teach to tests which, in my opinion, have had dire consequences in students’ motivation, self confidence and creativity. Instead of creating a better education for our children, the system is failing our students. Although I understand people wanting to home school their own children, I worry about the children of less educated parents being left behind in a system that is failing them. In my opinion, one of the best ways to deal with this is to get actively involved with the public school system to give all children the opportunity succeed. In this way, you are not only helping your own children, but also making an excellent education more accessible for all our children, in addition to setting the example to your children that you fight for what you believe in. It is a great lesson in civil responsibility.

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    • zolotiyeruki February 20, 2015, 1:07 pm

      I would have *loved* to be more involved in my kids school. Unfortunately, there are two factors that make it really hard:
      1) Life is busy for everyone. If I wanted to help out at the school, it would mean missing work. DW can’t, either, since she’s at home tending to the younger kids. As for School Board meetings…
      2) There’s a perception, often well-founded, that school districts only wish for parent involvement when it comes to volunteering and/or raising money. They are not (perceived to be) receptive to suggestions for change or differing opinions on proposed changes. I’m closely related to someone who’s on their local school board, and the superintendent (and administration in general) want to forge ahead with their pet projects, regardless of the voters’ (including parents’) wishes. In my local district, the superintendent is unilaterally eliminating a dual-language program, over the (very loud) objections of the parents. And the school board is spending money as if it’s 2006 and property values are skyrocketing.
      2a) There’s another driver for school districts not meeting the parents’ desires–bureaucratic micromanagement. My mother-in-law was a teacher for a few years, but quit. Not because she disliked the teaching, but because of all the hoops the school district, state government, and federal government made her (and her fellow teachers) jump through, regardless of the effects on the students.

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      • Jodie March 2, 2015, 10:53 pm

        I live in a small rural community. A few years ago, the community rallied and voted out the ENTIRE SCHOOL BOARD and replaced them with some kick butt great people. Then the new school board hired a new Superintendent. And then came the positive change. So it can be done . . .

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  • Kenoryn February 20, 2015, 12:16 pm

    Your school sounds extra crappy. We definitely did lots of fun creative projects in school – in fact I remember calculating the height of a tree from its shadow, like your water tower project. I also remember building launchers for bottle rockets (and launching them), building catapults (and competing in teams to be the first ones to hit a target across the room by calculating the trajectory), doing surveys of my peers about anything to learn about statistics, building model medieval castles to learn about ancient civilizations, designing a machine that could navigate a landscape simulating Mars, and making a film about the design and construction of the machine, reading any books we wanted for independent study (subject to teacher’s approval), writing and performing plays about Canadian history events, creating magazines, writing kids’ books, etc. Actually I was just going through my files the other day and found a children’s book I had written in grade 7. (A masterpiece. Ha ha.) I don’t remember shushing or lines. Except in the library, there was shushing there during ‘library time’. And there were lines to get back into the school at the end of recess.

    Wonder if it’s a US-Canada difference or a 1980s-2010s difference.

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    • Fiona February 20, 2015, 3:55 pm

      Kenoryn, I thought exactly that: “that school sounds extra crappy.” I’m a teacher and our school sounds exactly like your description above. I think often people are looking at decades-old school experience and are not regularly going into schools nowadays (I’m not including MMM in that group, of course. I just think his local school is a dud.)

      I am really proud of what we do in our school. I’d have to write a blog-length reply to explain how we accelerate the gifted, how we deal with the noise of a thousand kids daily, how awesome our recess is with tree-climbing and fort-building…and we’re not an ‘alternative’ school. We’re just a school like many others.

      One point though: our school teaches 7 hours a day, 8:30am-3:30pm. Take out 1 full hour for lunch and 20 mins recess, plus a half-hour of ‘energy plus’ that we have during the day to let the younger kids run off steam.

      That leaves around 5 hrs more structured time per day, not counting our regular sports lessons and other less-directed learning such as singing, music, art etc. It’s not too dissimilar to the oft-quoted “we get everything done in 4 hours a day at home-school.”

      I don’t know if US schools have as much ‘Recess’ as we do in Australia, but Aussie schools do surprisingly well on PISA and TIMMs, for what they are worth. (And Canada does amazingly well.)

      For that, we have great efficiencies in resources: all the expensive, fantastic, hands-on maths materials, the science labs, the gym and sports gear, the music rooms, the art, textiles, woodworking and metal work areas.

      I could go on but I do love the idea of home-schooling (my twin sister home-schools, as she’s in a ‘crappy school’ area.) Equally though, our schools often do a much better job than they are often given credit for.

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  • David February 20, 2015, 12:59 pm

    I’m a total failure at math. How would I be able to homeschool a child in that?

    I don’t know about where you live but the people who homeschool where I live tend to brag about how their kids have never been vaccicnated, too. Um….something not right about that. I don’t know what the connection is in their minds.

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  • Kayla February 20, 2015, 1:44 pm

    Sometimes when I hear about how people homeschool their kids and what they get to do because they aren’t stuck in a classroom all day, I get jealous and wish that I had been homeschooled. If I ever have kids, homeschooling will be something to consider.

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  • vicki from NZ February 20, 2015, 5:29 pm

    Excellent article totally agree with you about screen time and computers vs tv etc, our kids love to read and do creative stuff instead

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  • Bakari February 20, 2015, 6:41 pm

    Everyone who enjoyed or agreed with this post should try to find a copy of the book “SummerHill”.
    Its about a boarding school in England in the 1960s that took these same basic principals and applied them to an entire k-12 school. All classes were optional, and kids were allowed to do what they wanted with their time – play, build, study, whatever – so long as it didn’t negatively effect anyone else. The idea was that growing up well rounded and emotionally healthy is maybe sometimes more important than getting a formal degree. The principal / founder considered his kids going to trade school and becoming a slightly less “highclass” and wealthy but being successful in their field and most importantly happy, to be just as much a success a sending a kid to a prestigious Russel League university.
    Although, those kids who *wanted* to go to university, even those who spent grades 5-10 skipping classes, they studied hard, passed their tests, and got into universities.

    It was a long running large scale project involving many kids from different backgrounds (including some lower class who came on scholarship), that pretty much proved that the model doesn’t just work for a select few special kids, it just plain works.

    I (and many others) find there are a lot of lessons in it that can apply to individual child raising as well. My partner is halfway through it right now, I having requested she read it in advance of us thinking about having a kid someday.

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  • Neofuturist February 21, 2015, 8:23 am

    Am always disappointed when I hear stories of parents invested in their children’s education leaving public schools to home school. Seems like a profoundly anti-communitarian approach to child raising. And if everyone leaves, there will be no more public schools. I suppose I understand it more if some medical/psychological prompts it, but why not look for a school that fits one’s child’s needs better?

    Muddying or complicating the role of parent to that of primary educator for one’s child has effects on the relationship, and trying to be all things to one’s child puts a lot of pressure on the parent. On the other side, I think children should have time away from their parents, more and more as they grow older. They need to be able to challenge the orthodoxy of their parents (as unorthodox as the latter may be) in order to independently accept or reject it. And for this they need distance–emotional, social, and intellectual.

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  • Carla February 21, 2015, 9:06 am

    We’ve not looked back! Happy kids, happy parents and lots of good conversations! Congrats!

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  • Fellow Weirdo February 21, 2015, 2:39 pm

    Congratulations, and welcome to The Other Side. Our decision to homeschool our own kids evolved naturally from our tendency to Question Everything – and that’s also how we found your site. Our kids are thriving following their own interests, which include sports, reading, drawing, Legos, computers, comics, movies, music, fashion, food, science – and the list goes on. It’s so refreshing to hear a parent, who, when told that there was something “wrong” with their kid because the kid didn’t want to go along with School Protocol, took their kid’s side in the matter and sought out a better environment for the kid, instead of forcing the kid to conform, or else (which, unfortunately is how it usually plays out, to the great detriment of the child). Homeschooling has been wonderful for our family. I hope it works as well for you and yours.

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  • Mimi February 21, 2015, 5:24 pm

    Having steered two boys through the school system and one daughter, who homeschooled her last two years, I relate to every word you wrote! Home schooling for the right young person and the right family is great. Boys have an especially difficult time in the current repressive system. It can kill initiative and reward passivity as good behavior. I was very lucky to have input into the teachers suited to my children. That is becoming an increasing rarity. Some types of teachers are best for different personalities. I think the current antipathy to parental input in part is to protect teachers from being marginalized if parents do not like their “teaching syle”. My three were very different from one another and had different teachers. Schools have come to resemble prisons more than creative learning environments. Great post!

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  • Rachna February 22, 2015, 2:03 am

    Hi MMM & all comment readers!

    This was a great post! It makes me wish my parents had been into homeschooling too…

    I grew up in the early 90’s when homeschooling was considered extremely foofoo where I grew up. I tried many times to quit school and was especially serious about quitting school in 5th grade. I figured I knew enough Math and English to learn whatever I wanted to on my own. My parents disagreed and sent me back to school and I “studied” there for a miserable 12 years.

    Once while learning about using SONAR to measure the depth of seabed’s, I asked my physics teacher what if a giant whale came in the way of the SONAR wave, wouldn’t the measurement be wrong? I thought it was a reasonable possibility. My teacher called this a ‘baseless question’ and the class laughed. No answer was deemed necessary. A while later I figured out the measurements were averaged over hundreds of waves and my question had not been baseless.

    Over time I became a rebel and instantly suspicious of anything demanded from my angry bosses intent on getting their way without reason ( though some teachers were nice and gave me hope of a better life). I was never motivated to learn ‘in class’. I felt like a monkey who for some unknown reason and no fault of mine had to go to school > survive>complete homework>repeat and of course get good grades. The survival part worked because of amazing friendships. I remember our silent promise of sticking together and unionizing against the bosses and even parents.

    I was truly intelligent as a youngster. I independently theorized that the sun’s rays must have cooled by the time they reached the earth when I was 9. I used to write ideas in my diary with small proofs for my theories. I was dismissed again because my grades were poor so I was obviously not smart or hardworking. Once google was invented and I got access (when I was 12) to the whole world’s knowledge I figured out that I was in fact right as a child…GASP!

    /rant I was considered a problem child and other kids were deemed to be better than me because they got A’s and I just liked to think about things and come up with ideas to solve problems…rant end\

    College was much better and I actually enjoyed my engineering classes. This could be because I was surrounded with a lot of logical nerds like me who never discussed the latest twist in the TV soaps. Thank God for Engineering :D

    I know my parents loved me and just wanted me to be “educated”. They saw “education” as an out…a prestigious degree was the key to a better life (liked your logo design btw…nice touch). I also understand that my bosses had bosses of their own and probably meant well. I just could not believe that getting an Fking diploma meant that I was sufficiently “educated”. Did nobody care if I actually learned anything?!

    Kudos to you and your wife for making your brave decision for your son. This decision shows how much you truly love him. Its incredible that you would give up your 6 free hours/day to give your son a half decent chance at getting “educated”

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  • chrishpl February 22, 2015, 10:19 am

    Dear MMM, absolutely LOVE this post. Please keep posting more on this topic! I too have a 3rd grade boy, 9yo. He is currently attending a Quaker Friends School that is extremely kid-focused and experiential…I couldn’t imagine him in a traditional public school. BUT, being that we are trying to be more “Mustachian” given our financial situation–my husband, who is older than you by quite a bit, has found it almost impossible to continue finding engineering contracts in his area of expertise–we are looking for alternatives that are still good, educationally, but not as expensive. I am in favor of my husband homeschooling our son, and we are fortunate that we have a 50-acre farm on a lake in Upstate NY at which this could be done (we don’t currently reside there year-round). My husband, though, doesn’t see himself as an “educator” because he hasn’t been formally trained…I’m trying to get him to see that he CAN teach lots of stuff to our son, he actually of course does it all the time. I know that homeschooling has to be something both parents are comfortable with and committed to…so I’d be curious on your and Mrs.MMM’s thoughts/experiences here. We are just in the initial stages of exploring homeschooling as an option, and I’ve gotten a lot out of reading others’ comments. Maybe if it’s sparking enough interest, would a section of your site (or Mrs. MMM’s, I haven’t read hers yet) focusing on your experiences in homeschooling be an option in the future, perhaps?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache February 23, 2015, 8:13 am

      An self-employed engineer sounds like a great educator to me. You don’t have to be formally trained to teach your own kids – most parents are automatically providing the majority of their child’s life learning just by living and interacting with the kids.

      Professional teachers benefit from training because they have a much harder job – teaching a large batch of other peoples’ kids simultaneously with pressure from all sides on how to do it.

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  • BStarr February 22, 2015, 5:45 pm

    I read this and was left with the thought: If this is the state of our educational system, what is our responsibility as engage citizens?

    I don’t blame you for homeschooling. Actually, I totally get it. What to do about schooling is a frequent conversation in our house too. But you and your wife and in a unique position to create meaningful change, not just for your boy, but for kids you haven’t even met. Run for school board, get involved in a charter start up, make it impossible for any student in Longmont to have their recess taken. You have the free time many can only covet. Have you considered solving this problem at a much larger level? Right now, someone out there is working to have evolution taken out of a text book, doesn’t humanistic treatment of young people deserve an advocate too?

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  • jengod February 22, 2015, 10:05 pm

    Just wanted to say rock on. Junior Mustache is a lucky kid and I think you are making a great decision for your family. Enjoy!

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  • Dennis February 23, 2015, 9:28 am

    Brilliant post. I believe in learning to mastery and going at your own pace. Neither of those things were priorities during my kids years at public school.

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  • Ronald February 24, 2015, 9:56 pm

    As Jim Rohn said “Formal education will make you a living but self education will make you a life”

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  • enginerding February 24, 2015, 10:25 pm

    “Humans are naturally curious and energetic creatures, and if you set us free in the right environment, we will get to work learning, producing, and having a great time at it.”

    I like the optimism, but I’m fairly certain most people would just watch tv and/or surf the internet.

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  • Christie Skoorsmith February 25, 2015, 7:29 am

    I’ve been homeschooling my 3 kiddos for 11 months now and absolutely love it! My oldest child also was struggling in school and was starting to have behavioral problems- she is very bright and was getting bored with the school work and so acting out. Since homeschooling we’ve seen a huge improvement and she loves learning again! We have 4.5 acres and live on an off-grid homestead so there is ample scope and space for learning. I can’t recommend it enough- if it is a good fit for ones family and life style. The biggest benefit I’ve found is the amount of time we get to spend together as a family. And also I love knowing exactly how they are doing in school and what they need help with and what they excel at- because I’m the teacher! Thanks for posting all the great links!

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  • Rachna February 26, 2015, 11:18 am

    Hi MMM,

    I wonder if you read this http://paulgraham.com/nerds.html

    An excerpt taken without permission from the blog (with the URL above)

    ” Teenagers now are useless, except as cheap labor in industries like fast food, which evolved to exploit precisely this fact. In almost any other kind of work, they’d be a net loss. But they’re also too young to be left unsupervised. Someone has to watch over them, and the most efficient way to do this is to collect them together in one place. Then a few adults can watch all of them.

    If you stop there, what you’re describing is literally a prison, albeit a part-time one. The problem is, many schools practically do stop there. The stated purpose of schools is to educate the kids. But there is no external pressure to do this well. And so most schools do such a bad job of teaching that the kids don’t really take it seriously– not even the smart kids. Much of the time we were all, students and teachers both, just going through the motions.

    In my high school French class we were supposed to read Hugo’s Les Miserables. I don’t think any of us knew French well enough to make our way through this enormous book. Like the rest of the class, I just skimmed the Cliff’s Notes. When we were given a test on the book, I noticed that the questions sounded odd. They were full of long words that our teacher wouldn’t have used. Where had these questions come from? From the Cliff’s Notes, it turned out. The teacher was using them too. We were all just pretending.

    There are certainly great public school teachers. The energy and imagination of my fourth grade teacher, Mr. Mihalko, made that year something his students still talk about, thirty years later. But teachers like him were individuals swimming upstream. They couldn’t fix the system.”

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  • K P-K February 26, 2015, 7:17 pm

    Enjoying the wonderful conversations surrounding the benefits for those families up for the challenges of home-education! I am a certified teacher who chose to home school both sons and am glad to report that they each sat for the NYS ability to benefit college exam (SUNY) and passed. The oldest started college at 11 and the his younger brother started at 12.
    Neither son had difficulty with socialization in the college environment, even when most of their “peers” were many years older.
    Both are now in their 20s and very successful in their own careers.
    Continued success to those making their own paths!

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  • Jodie March 2, 2015, 10:31 pm

    This is such an interesting topic. I do not have a strong opinion either way on the homeschool/public school debate, but I will share some thoughts on our experiences as a public school family. I am the parent of two teenagers – a daughter who is a freshman in high school and a son who will graduate in a few short months. Both kids are in our local public school system here in Virginia. I recall thinking when they were in elementary school that homeschooling would be advantageous for a variety of reasons. By definition, a system that educates the masses just cannot provide a custom education for any child . . . it just doesn’t work – especially when a child isn’t mainstream. We chose to keep our kids in public school, but we supplemented when we felt it was necessary. Looking back on my son’s 13 years of public education, he might have been better served by homeschooling as a young child, but definitely not as a teenager. He has had some fantastic high school experiences! His current Gov’t teacher comes to mind . . . brilliant woman who engages my son from the moment he walks into the room until he leaves over an hour later. They discuss and debate many important issues in class. It is GOOD for my opinionated 17 year old to listen to and think about opposing peer viewpoints (plus it has created some great family dinner conversations!) I’m great and awesome and all, but I could never duplicate what this woman does in her classroom. I can think of a few other teachers that have definitely made a similar positive impact. And then of course there are the crummy teachers . . . just as in every job, there are good and bad. We’ve tried to teach our kids that when a teacher fails to teach, the onus is on them to find a way. That has been a valuable lesson for both of mine. Good luck to all!

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  • Bryce March 3, 2015, 9:06 pm

    I am a 35 year old 6th Grade public school teacher. My wife is a stay at home mom, and we home school my four daughters. I’ve taken some flak from my colleagues for this Departure From the De Facto Superior Status Quo, but it’s always laced with incredulity at how we manage to accomplish the feat financially.

    I’m proud to say we’ve been on a Mustachian journey that started with getting my wife out of her job (accomplished!) and will end this summer when I also retire. At that point, I plan to dive in to homeschooling alongside her as we attempt to manifest all of the virtues of homeschooling you have described above.

    I should add, though, that sitting down, shutting up, and getting in line CAN be good life lessons. It’s no basis for a curriculum, I admit. But raising children to become civic-minded and caring adults must include experiences where they are decidedly NOT the focal point, and in a benign sort of way, Not special. I like your style, MMM, and appreciate your candor and vulnerability.

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  • MP March 4, 2015, 4:32 am

    Nice article MMM. Thanks for the feedback on homeschooling.
    I think you and Mrs. MM are courageous as it requires a lot of discipline that I don’t know if the MP family would have…

    Anyway, I add to your list of “In my school, I would…”:
    * In my school, I would teach English by making young people reading MMM blog
    * In my school, I would teach young people how to run a family budget and a business budget by making them use YNAB and manage the school budget as a real life example
    ** This would teach them the most valuable way of doing personal finance way
    ** This would teach them also the value of learning and the chance that we have with our educational system here in developed countries
    * In my school, I would teach the benefits of investing as a way to arouse curiosity about math topics such as statistics, probabilities – and not the other way around ;)
    * In my school, I would do similar things as they do in Northern Europe school where they try to find the passions of children
    ** This way we would ensure that our world get more and more entrepreneurs + people who love what they do
    * In my school, I would definitely teach topics like financial freedom and early retirement as THE normal way to follow (if there has to be A normal way)
    * In my school, I would continue to focus on the past with History class so to not make the same mistakes as our ancestors but also on the future to let the kids define in what world THEY will live
    * In my school, I would make ecology a transversal game topic (and not a religion) – like I tend to play it while I drive my Prius and try to consume less gas as possible – or even better when I feel alive while breathing fresh air in the morning on my bike
    * As you state it in your article, I would as well gamify EVERYTHING so that learning remains fun – we only have one life, so let’s spend it in a happy way!

    I will stop here else I will write a blogpost on your blog ;)

    Best of luck with homeschooling!
    MP

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  • Ben March 4, 2015, 10:03 pm

    What you describe sounds like a great method! I found it particularly interesting, because I had a rather unusual “education” myself. I didn’t go to school, but I also wasn’t homeschooled, and there was absolutely no structure; I just did whatever I wanted. I learned to read when I was about 10-11. I don’t think this was ideal, but it has worked out surprisingly well for me; I taught myself programming, and have been working as a developer for 3.5 years now. I do notice some areas where my knowledge/skills are lacking, but I’ve been able to learn those as necessary. And on the plus side, I have a lot of random skills/hobbies I’m quite good at, because I had the time to practice them.

    This is my first comment here, but I’ve been reading the site for about a year and a half now. At first when I had a real income, I did fall into the trap of scaling my spending with it, because I couldn’t think of what I would be saving for. But since I wasn’t very attached to most of the things I spent money on anyway, once I found this blog, it was pretty easy to turn things around. Thanks for writing it! The last 12 months I spent $10k less than the previous 12 months, and I think I’m on track to retire around 35 as things are (I’ll be 27 this year).

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  • JenWood March 7, 2015, 11:27 am

    You are heading in the right direction. There are great legacies of homeschool parents out there. Joyce Swann had 10 children and they all had their Master’s Degree by 16 years old. She did 1/2 day schooling, 1/2 day play. Mary Pride had 9 children and a Master’s Degree in Engineering from RPI. She wrote the Practical Homeschooling magazine for many years. Her older issues are the best (out-of-print). When my children were younger, our house was often filled with young children playing in an out-of-doors. Homschooling gives you time for real life activities outside of an institutional setting. Include other children in your fun and learning, too. It teaches kids, hospitality and neighborliness.

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  • Ricky March 8, 2015, 9:26 pm

    This article is interesting as you said something very different a few years ago on a Q&A:

    “Home schooling is a neat idea, but to be honest, my wife and I are wimps: we love the free time between 9-3 every day to pursue our hobbies and get the groceries, and we like the idea of having our son mingle with ordinary kids from the neighborhood and deal with various rules and teaching styles, which he would not get as much with homeschooling.”

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    • E. August 1, 2015, 1:41 am

      Thank you for digging up that quote! I referenced it in a comment that’s awaiting moderation on page 5, and it was one of the few things I’ve seen on here that made me shiver. I’m so glad to see a reversal on this position.

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  • Giovanni March 11, 2015, 10:52 pm

    Your post hit me in the chest when you said ‘our son was diagnosed with (insert Charlie Brown wah-wah-wah sound effects)’. There is NOTHING wrong with your child or anyone else’s! They were born because they have a unique gift to bring to the world and their task and our task as parents is to discover/help them discover what that gift is.

    It’s important for parents to understand that children don’t have to discover, or worse be taught how to love learning; they’ve been doing it since the minute they were born. What kind of lessons did your kids take to learn how to talk? Or walk? Or what the knobs on the stereo did? (Back when there were stereos and they had knobs). Kids are born learning because learning allowed our ancestors to survive long enough to reproduce in numbers sufficient to guarantee our survival.

    In fact so much of adult counseling is about UNlearning the survival skills we learned as children growing up in less than perfect families that hold us back from living complete lives with our grown up relationships. That’s how good of learners we are from day one.

    Next I want to address Dyslexia, ADD, ADHD, AS, HFA and most other acronyms you want to throw in the mix. Here’s what they have in common; they are all traits of high achieving people! My personal experience is that you could take any three of them, throw them in a bag, shake them up and they’d come out E N T R E P R E N E U R. I’m at least two if not more of those things and I’m speaking from not just my first hand experience but the experiences of many successful people that I’ve encountered and worked with. Here is an article from Fortune’s May 2002 The Dyslexic CEO issue http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002/05/13/322876/index.htm I’m sure there are more recent articles on this subject but that article came out when my son was in high school and it was a critical time in his educational journey.

    I wonder if the majority of these diagnoses aren’t more about the limitations of the educational system than of any perceived deficiency in the children. As an example my son faked learning to read until fourth grade when his dyslexia was noticed by a teacher who had dyslexic kids of her own (I’m dyslexic born and raised, if you don’t like the term use your own). Up until that time my son ‘faked’ reading by memorizing word for word the story being read once in class along with the visual clues from the teacher so well that he could ‘read’ it back to his mother and I after school… and not be found out. Is a kid like that dumb (as he believed himself to be) or ‘learning disabled’? Or just wired differently enough that learning to read and write for him was the equivalent of learning to speak Chinese by memorizing all 50,000 hanzi?

    His mother and I battled the school district to get them to provide the resources state law mandated but it was really pushing up a rope. We changed school districts and that worked until he got to high school then the only option they offered (after we came to them with IEP in hand) was placement in the classes for severely developmentally disabled children. Fortunately his mom discovered a home school/twice a week class group school (run by parents of dyslexic children who’d gone on to college and career) that allowed my son to rediscover his innate thirst for learning, graduate, go on to college and career.

    The bottom line is from Einstein: “Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it is stupid.” This is absolutely true and it’s our job as parents to find that situation which allows our children to engage their natural inborn thirst to learn.

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  • Sarah Anne April 5, 2015, 12:54 pm

    I’m too excited to read all the comments first even though I know I should, because in my linked stumble onto, and then a bit around, your blog I never expected to see a post that was like, the beginning of embracing unschooling.

    The way our system is set up KILLS the desire to learn. It’s regimentation is actually antithetical to how we learn things.

    Read:

    How Children Learn
    How Children Fail

    And then all the way across the unschooling board.

    Cannot express my enthusiasm for Sudbury model (unschooling in physical schools) schools enough.

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  • Aja McClanahan April 8, 2015, 2:39 am

    We live in the hood so we home school. Thanks to living in the hood, we are debt free and I am semi-retired. Consequently, we can splurge on road school as well. We spent almost 2 months in California studying the SoCal LA area basin and related ecology. We are back in the Midwest and my girls are learning French/Latin/Spanish this year and between them they sing, play piano (very well), guitar and ukulele. They already make money acting and in voice-overs. My oldest makes music beats and sells rainbow loom stuff. This could never happen in real school…. Home school baby!

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  • Kristi April 15, 2015, 10:38 am

    I went to public school for Kindergarten through sixth grade. I did homeschooling after that. Homeschooling was the best decision for me. I was able to learn at my own pace which was much faster than what the school was teaching. I was able to learn subjects that they weren’t teaching in public schools. And I was able to get back most of my day for other activities. Everything about homeschooling was wonderful for me.

    I think public school is more about controlling kids and keeping them busy than really teaching them. I remember when I was in public school I would not do homework because I felt like they’d already taken most of my day from me and I refused to let them have anymore of it. As a result I would end up with a B or C because homework counted for part of my grade. I would get around 97-100 on the tests and get zeros on my homework because I didn’t want to spend hours doing worksheets on things I already knew.

    I still remember to this day a teacher calling me up to show me I had scored 100 on every test for the year but I’m getting a C because I didn’t do the work sheets she sent home. She gave me a big lecture about how important it is that I do worksheets because I should be in the advanced class but they can’t promote me unless I spend hours doing worksheets to get my grade up to an A. I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. I never really felt like schools were about learning. It just felt like they were trying to control your life as much as possible.

    I found college to be much easier. There was barely any homework at all. What little homework there was I did without hesitation because it didn’t feel like they were just giving me busy work to do. I graduated with a degree in Computer Science and a GPA of 4.00 because my grade wasn’t being hampered by mindlessly required worksheets.

    I hope your child has a great experience from homeschooling like I did. I had wondered why you hadn’t looked into this option before. Homeschooling seemed like it would fit into your lifestyle so well.

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  • Stephanie April 26, 2015, 2:20 pm

    I loved this quote from this article: “Humans are naturally curious and energetic creatures, and if you set us free in the right environment, we will get to work learning, producing, and having a great time at it.”

    This immediately made me think of my uncle, who is the founder and director of Puget Sound Community School in Seattle. If you’re looking for a secondary education option for your son, this might be of interest to you.

    Intro Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdV07yd55IQ

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  • Tim April 27, 2015, 1:47 pm

    This was a great post and lots of discussion. I have been thinking about how to deal with education for our kids in a “Mustachian” manner, which has two primary goals: 1) a better education that involves self-direction; 2) an alternative to paying $50k per year (deploying a percentage of that in our own education.

    I am going to spend more time going through everyone’s posts as well as the original one, but some things that surfaced:

    * Homeschoolers who have posted here mostly had positive experiences
    * There needs more data on impact on admission to universities (and a broader discussion on the value of said universities)
    * Outstanding question: if one hasn’t achieved MMM FI, how do you home school (e.g. get the time)?
    * Waldorf and Sudbury have surfaced as good alternatives
    * Technologies such as Khan Academy might be opening up more flexibility in the model

    I’m hoping to dive more into more of the contents and this post to figure out a plan for our own kids.

    My goals for our two kids (3 and 1.5) as I have been thinking about their education have been:

    * Mandarin fluency
    * Self-regulation/control (like taught in Tool of the Mind)
    * Relational skills
    * Core content

    The key to success seems to be having a community of like-minded parents + kids. Will be back soon…

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