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How to Make a Thousand Bucks an Hour

Another summer evening skate-n-scoot outing with Mini Me

It’s Back to School time here in Colorado, which means both my son and I will be hanging up the swim shorts and kayak paddles and getting back to more serious business for a while.

It has been a slow and endlessly sunny and leisurely summer, and a nice break for both of us, which has been very relaxing and a great time for bonding.

But relaxation has its limits. At some point all that Chilling Out fades its way into Complacency, and our natural Human nature starts to work against us, telling us to conserve energy and not really do much of anything. And laziness begets more laziness, and life actually becomes less fun.

You can see this effect in our activities. I’ve only completed two blog posts over the entire summer holidays, and together we have put out only two YouTube videos. Spending more time at home and less at the MMM Headquarters squat rack has caused me to lose at least five pounds of leg muscle that I had wanted to keep. Little MM has spent a lot less time practicing on the upright bass and putting out songs, and a lot more time playing video games and getting sucked into the “dank memes” and “Trove” channels on Reddit.

It has been a fun break, but as the freshly polished school buses awaken with the sunrise, it will be even more fun to get our own lives cranking into a higher gear as well. And if you’re reading this, it means I am off to a great start!

Complacency Is Expensive

This laziness was affecting my financial life, and your financial life too. I had let thousands of dollars of uninvested cash build up in my checking account, where it was sitting around earning nothing. My credit card bills had come in, been automatically paid, and filed themselves away without me even reviewing them for fraudulent transactions or wussypants spending on my part. And I had a growing mini-mountain of things I need to do regarding insurance, accounting, and legal stuff in both my personal and business domains.

And yet once I got my act together last week, I cleaned up the whole mess and set things straight in less than an hour.

It’s not Just Me, it’s You

When I talk to friends and family, I notice a common theme: they tend to set up certain “hassle” things once, and then ignore them as long as possible unless some absolute crisis comes along and forces them to make a change.

“Oh, I just do all my insurance stuff with Jim Schmidt’s Insurance office downtown, because my parents referred me to him when I first moved out for college.

Even better, his wife Jane runs a loan brokerage, so she handles all our family’s mortgage needs!”

On this surface, this sounds fun and folksy and like a nice way to do business. And that is exactly the way I like to live: keeping my business relationships as casual and fun as I can. But when it comes to money, complacency can come at a price, so at the bare minimum we should find out exactly what price we are paying.

For example, just recently a coworking member came to me and asked for some financial help. And as always, I suggested we start by looking at big recurring expenses. So we dug into the details of her insurance and other major bills streaming in from ol’ Jim and Jane, and found an interesting breakdown:

  • Required liability coverage on a 2010 Subaru Forester: $580 per year
  • Optional collision and comprehensive coverage ($500 deductible): $360 per year
  • Home insurance on a 2000 square foot house ($500 deductible): $1450 per year
  • Mortgage interest on a $300,000 loan at 4.85%:  $14,550 per year
  • Student Loan interest on an old $35,000 student loan at 5.5%: $1925 per year

Total: $18,865 per year.


It’s no wonder my friend was having financial stress – she had interest and insurance costs that were soaking up half of a reasonable annual budget before she could even buy her first bit of groceries or clothing.

So, right there we did a quick round of phone calls and online quotes, and streamlined a bit of the insurance coverage by increasing the deductibles. Within 90 minutes (she did most of the work while I had a beer and swept the floors of the HQ), we had the following new set of options:

  • Subaru liability coverage: $380 per year ($200 savings) through Geico
  • Removal of collision and comprehensive (in the unlikely event of a crash, they could afford to replace the car with less than two months of income) ($360 savings)
  • Home insurance on a 2000 square foot house ($5000 deductible): $650 per year ($800 savings) through Safeco
  • Refinanced mortgage to 3.375% through Credible.com*: $10,125 per year ($4,425 savings)
  • Refinanced Student Loan (also Credible) to 3.85%: $1347 per year ($578 savings)

New total expenses: $12,502 ($6363 per year in savings!!)


It is hard to even express the importance of what just happened here.  My friend just did two hours of work in total while drinking a glass of wine,  and dropped her annual expenses by over $500 per month, or six thousand dollars per year. And she will of course invest these savings, which will then compound to about to about $86,000 every ten years. 

Even if she has to do this annual round of phone calls and websites once per year to maintain the best rates on everything, she will be earning about $3150 per hour for this work. Hence the bold title of this article, which you can now see is very conservative.

The Optimization Council

The first Optimization Council meeting at MMM HQ

So you’re convinced. $3150 is enough to get you to pick up the phone, but how do know who to call? Who is going to be your coach if you don’t live near Longmont and thus can’t just join the HQ and have Mr. Money Mustache tell you what to do?

The great news is that all of this knowledge already exists, right in your own circle of friends. To extract it, you just need to gather them together and get them to talk about it.

Earlier this month, I floated exactly this idea with the members of my coworking space, proposing that we form a group with the witty name “The Optimization Council.”

The Council would meet every now and then to talk through life’s biggest expenses and opportunities, and harvest the wisdom of the group so we can all benefit from the best ideas in each category.

The response to this idea was overwhelmingly positive. So we called a first “test” meeting earlier this month and a small group of us talked through the first few categories, sharing not just names like “I use Schmidt Insurance”, but details like, “We have $250,000 coverage with a $1,000 deductible and our premium is $589 per year.”

The meeting was so lively that we quickly ran out of time, but resolved to meet again soon to figure out more things together. I served as the scribe using a shared google doc – here’s a snapshot of that to give you an idea of our topics:

So Yes. There is some thinking and work involved. But there’s also an opportunity to drastically improve your short term cashflow and long-term wealth, and break your friends out of their cautious shell to help them get the same benefits.

As we learned long ago in Protecting your Money Mustache from Spendy Friends, most people tend towards complacency, and following along with the group. Which leaves a big gaping void at the top of the pyramid where the leadership role waits unfilled.

If you are bold enough to climb into this spot (which really means just sending a few emails and Facebook messages, procuring a box or two of wine, and making a large tray of high-end nachos for your guests), you can all reap the rewards for decades to come.

And instead of avoiding this little chore like a hassle, dive into it like a gigantic shower of fun and wealth. After all, this is pretty much the core attitude of Mustachianism Itself.


In the comments: we can start our own Optimization Council right here. If you have found a good deal on any of the categories of life, feel free to share a quick summary of your location (state), and details of the company and product/service/price that you found is the best. To avoid spam filtering, please use names but not direct links.


A Note about Credible:

Watchful readers may have noticed I also mentioned this company on Twitter recently. After a few months of skepticism that the world needed yet another financial company, I was convinced by some conversations with the people running it and a Zoom video of the customer experience from a senior employee, with some very candid commentary on their design choices.

I like it because they import the lending models from their large supply of hooked-up finance companies, then run the rate comparisons on their own server rather than farming out your personal information to each separate lender. It saves you from filling out multiple applications when collecting rates, and also saves you from getting on everyone’s spam list (they don’t sell your contact information, which is a rare thing among loan search engines).

It was a hard model for them to get going, because the banks naturally want to have your information so they can spam you.  But now that they have a growing presence in the market, lenders are forced to come through Credible to get access to this pool of qualified people. After enough testing with people I knew, I found the experience is worth recommending.

So I also signed this blog up with their referral program  – please see my Affiliates philosophy if you are curious or skeptical about how any of that works!

With all that said, if you want to try it out, here are the links:

Mortgages and Refis

Student Loan Refis – $300 bonus with this link

  • Ryan Schlomer September 24, 2019, 6:30 pm

    I think we are all looking forward to the blog post on how the “Vasectomies and why they rock” discussion goes.

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  • DJW October 28, 2019, 5:39 pm

    Credible mortgage comparisons does not let you filter out points for closing costs. I am looking for 15 year, 20+ % down. I do not want to pay points, want lowest closing costs. Plan to pay off within 5 years. Does anyone have suggestion how to compare without deluge of phone calls

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  • Kevin November 3, 2019, 1:41 am

    One of my money saving hacks is for glasses. Prescription glasses are one of the biggest rorts out there. Get your prescription and head over to zenni optical or 39 dollar glasses. Literally the same sorts of makers, often based in Hong Kong and they are great. To be honest I often order 3 pairs and keep 1 or 2 to use. Even with all the measurements, it can be hard to tell what’s comfortable. But at 60 to 75 a pair, even getting 3 is cheaper than a single one from the optometrist. Mark ups are super duper absurd, like jewelry level 800 to 1000 pc markups or higher for glasses. They can even replace lenses on your existing frames if you want. And they deliver worldwide, I’ve used them in the USA and Australia.

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  • MelD December 12, 2019, 4:40 am

    So stop, wait… you got me at $6000 savings will become $86000 over ten years…

    What?? In whose universe is this going to work when interest rates are presently negative and investing is not fixed??

    So call me dumb but sitting here in wealthy Switzerland, your $6000 is highly unlikely to grow anything like that, even over 10 yrs.
    Educate me…

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    • Taconite December 12, 2019, 10:18 am

      If you save that $6k a year into your sock drawer, after 10 years that is 60K. As you go, if those savings are put into a S&P 500 index that earns a 7% – 8% yield and the growth is allowed to compound, after 10 years you have approximately 86K.

      Totally agree, negative interest rates on bonds and savings are horrible for savers.

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  • Darrell December 12, 2019, 12:59 pm

    Any British Columbians in the house? I’ve heard rumblings of some fresh blood coming in to disrupt the ICBC monopoly (currently all vehicle insurance in the province goes through ICBC). I have an old 4x pickup that I mostly just park. It’s only real use is back country access (Which it excels at) and very occasional hauling. And for that, I spend $1000 for the year to insure it. This is the lowest I can go. 43% discount for 10 years of waste driving, and I only carry liability.

    It’s a bit frustrating. If I didn’t value the back country access so highly I’d ditch the ride altogether.

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  • cheryl December 13, 2019, 1:08 am

    Many questions… just stumbled onto this site so please forgive my naivete. Currently our financial situation is bleak but we are taking steps to turn it around. Currently 4 of us are living on one very modest income. Due to some very serious health issues I have been unable to work since April. We have myself, my bf and my two adult sons 18 and 19 in the house. My oldest is a special needs child who is in college (commty) and gets SSI monthly. Due to our modest income his college fees are about 95% covered. He is unable to.work at this time and i prefer he focus on his education for the time being. My youngest is in school (hs) and will graduate in May he Hopes to work after graduation and he will.also attend commty college w Grants in the fall w little to no oop expense.
    Our rent is very moderate for our area. Our utilities are low and again bc of our moderate income I have assistance to level the Bill’s for these.
    We switched from a ridiculous sprint contract cell plan to.Boost pre paid and pay 100.00/ mo for the 4 of us. The plan is unlimited for t, t, and d.

    I’d love to get help in the following areas:

    Internet: a local company has a chokehold on our area ( Hagerstown, me Zip code 21740) but I think there may be other options I’ve not been able to uncover.
    We stream and game so I would need a good fast connection.

    Car insurance: we have two cars which require full coverage due to liens not yet paid off.
    At this point I can’t afford to.add my.youngest son to.our plan.its so.expensive. we had Erie and Geico.in the past but their rates were not great and no.amount of.negotiations changed that.

    Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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  • Brittany December 25, 2019, 2:35 pm

    It’s kind of specific, but it might help someone, and it saves me my full medical insurance deductible every year (3k):

    If you have a costly medication – in my case, Enbrel – check with the manufacturer for any support programs they offer. Amgen has a program that will pay thousands towards the cost of my prescription every year. For me, one 3-month refill costs more than my annual deductible, so I time my refills for January every year. This effectively pays my deductible for me.

    The work involved is simply renewing the membership card for the support program; this is usually ten minutes or less, unless there are significant changes to the plan for a given year.

    I had a concern that I was gaming the system and would have some sort of repercussion, but my HR benefits colleague assured me a few years ago that it’s completely acceptable, etc. So I’ve not paid out of pocket for healthcare, aside from premiums, obviously, in four years, saving me 12k.

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  • Jasmin December 30, 2019, 6:18 pm

    My husband and I made a few phone calls over the duration of the day (sprint, geico, hbo, Hulu etc.) and saved altogether $2602 for the coming year in total! Thank you MMM <3

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  • Jay Sharma January 12, 2020, 10:22 pm

    It is worthwhile to periodically do insurance shopping. Last month Progressive increased our auto insurance premium by almost 40% and I am glad I switch to GEICO which saved me about $1000/year for insuring 2 cars. We also save on cell phone costs by sharing a T-Mobile family plan with another friend :)

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  • Olivia Valenti February 25, 2020, 4:30 pm

    I love this idea, though I can’t help but notice only one female in the room among males (from what I can see and without making assumptions). I know its early stage, but consider inviting more females and diverse groups. One idea – I would happily call in via zoom from my location in Cali :). I love your blog/content. Thank you for continuing to provide it and motivate me and others!

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  • Charles Kannair March 8, 2020, 7:35 pm

    I thought you researched the site and Credibke doesn’t share my information? After applying, I received 5 emails from the lenders thanking me for applying. Clearly Credible.com are sharing my information, which is different since MMM wrote this article… heads up.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache March 9, 2020, 8:04 am

      Hi Charles, I just wanted to clarify: I would expect the lenders to need your information if you actually filled out an application, which means you are looking to proceed.

      Or are you saying you just wanted to get quotes and even then it lead to unwanted contact? Either way, feel free to share more. Thanks!

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  • Anne September 14, 2020, 7:33 am

    There are a lot of areas where there are kind of obvious ways to get your expenses down to zero or close to it: recreation, books, TV, etc., but some expense areas seem aggravatingly persistent (utilities, insurance). If you have reward credit cards, though, I had an Amazon rewards card for a while and used to look for stuff I wanted on Amazon to get with my points. Sometimes the list price was higher than I could get things elsewhere, but it was free, so I didn’t worry about it too much. But then I remembered there is a statement credit option. You can take your points or credit from just about any rewards credit card and have it applied to your credit card statement. That means a couple of things: I can shop around at various places that take credit cards and get the best deals. For example, maybe there is a discount and a coupon I can stack and then pay with points. My local thrift stores take credit cards, as do shopgoodwill.com and ebay. I can buy something second hand and then use my credit card points to pay the statement. You could also use it to pay any utility bills, insurance, etc that take a credit card. I have not tried it, but I heard that you can pay student loans with Navient through their app with a credit card even though you can’t pay through their website with one. Obviously, this is a tip for those who pay off their cards every month so they don’t end up paying interest.

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